The ERP Organizational Change Journal

Episode 32

leadership, Innovation, and Technology

by | Jul 15, 2021

by Dr. Jack G. Nestell | The ERP Organizational Change Journal Podcast

In This Episode

In this episode, we will discuss “leadership, Innovation, and Technology” with Mr. John Rouda

Mr. Rouda is the host of “A Geek Leader” Podcast (, where he works to inspire, educate and motivate leaders throughout the world. John is a self-proclaimed “space nut”, IT Leader, Digital Design & Computer Science Professor, author, and TEDx speaker.

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John Rouda

John Rouda 

John is an IT Leader and Computer Science Professor.

Currently, he is a Vice President of Technology and he teaches as an adjunct professor at both York Technical College and Winthrop University. John has spoken at numerous conferences and has served on the board of directors for the Interface Cyber Security Conference and for Family Trust Federal Credit Union. John’s past experiences include more than 20 years of Technology management in software development, systems administration, and network infrastructure.

John’s Podcast – A Geek Leader Podcast was created by me, John Rouda, as a way to inspire and grow IT Leaders where ever I can.

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Episode Resources & Links



Book – Daniel Pink –  Drive: The Surprising Truth about what Motivates Us

Article – Denison Consulting – trust and role in high-performance culture

The Denison Model – Introduction to the Denison Model PDF

Christian Espinosa – episode 205the Smartest Person in the Room – The Geek Leader Podcast

Book – Christian Espinosa – The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

Book – Tony Saldona – Why Digital Transformations Fail: The Surprising Disciplines of How to Take Off and Stay Ahead


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Episode Highlights & More about this Episode


03:23 Since the title of this episode is “LEADERSHIP, INNOVATION, AND TECHNOLOGY”  How do you define leadership? 

04:17 What role does innovation play in leading successful technological change? 

05:40 Why is innovation so important in terms of successful leadership and/or successful technological change? 

06:54 What do you see as the relationship between trust, leadership and organizational culture? Especially during change? That is, leadership and trust are critical for any organization and I would say especially during significant technological change. What are some tactical ways to do this? 

11:34 On A Geek Leader Podcast (  On your site, you mention that “The transition from Techy to Leader isn’t easy, and its sometimes takes perspective and purpose to get it right.”  Can you elaborate? 

19:30 What are a couple of your key concepts that you promote on your podcast that you can share with our listeners in terms of leadership? 

22:14 On your podcast, you interviewed Christian Espinosa and you discussed his best-selling book, The Smartest Person in the Room.  Regarding your conversation with Espinosa, can you share your thoughts on the value of empathy, tactical transparency,  and “People are generally doing the best they can with what they have”.?

26:58 In your view, how can organizational technical change resistance actually be a valuable tool towards successful organizational change? 

29:28 Are there common denominators or characteristics in leaders that manage successful digital change? What would you say are the most critical attributes of an organization in terms of what successful leaders do best? 

33:57 Dr. Clark mentioned that “Performance research provides a great deal of evidence that a significant number of very popular education and performance improvement products simply do not work.” As a 15 year professor, why do you think that is?

38:11 Suppose you are leading a kickoff meeting for an organization that is just starting a significant technology-focused implementation. How would you define and describe for them “success” in terms of digital transformation change? 

39:08 What role does the overall corporate culture play in large-scale technological organizational change and why? 

41:52 If you were going to give advice to another organization and to our listeners regarding successful ERP implementation, what would you tell them? 

More About This Episode 

leadership and innovation and its role in technology success

In this episode, we examine leadership and innovation and their role in technology success. Why are leadership, innovation, and technology all interdependent on each other? That is, What role does innovation play in leading successful technological change?

We will discuss how to build trust, key concepts of leadership, the value of empathy, being “ tactically transparent”,  and how “People are generally doing the best they can with what they have”. Additionally, we will explore resistance to change and how resistance can actually be a useful tool for change, common denominators of leaders, the definition of technological change success, and what role corporate culture plays in success…

And more!

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